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- From: seebs@solutions.solon.com (Peter Seebach)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.c
- Subject: Re: Off topic post
- Date: 1 Feb 1996 13:56:31 -0600
- Organization: Usenet Fact Police (Undercover)
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- References: <DLyM02.9zn@emr1.emr.ca> <TANMOY.96Jan29201105@qcd.lanl.gov> <4em6k7$ad7@rpc40.gl.umbc.edu> <DM2CqI.2Cs@emr1.emr.ca>
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- In article <DM2CqI.2Cs@emr1.emr.ca>, John Grant <jagrant@emr1.emr.ca> wrote:
- > That's crap. I have never seen such an insufferable group of
- > snobs as that which appears to populate this C group. I just can
- > not believe how bloody pedantic you folks are here. If you think
- > that 'common curtesy (sic)' is required, then look at your own
- A curt response: I have 30 seconds or so of lag between my keyboard and my
- editor. It's a typo. Sheesh. Spelling flames, even?
-
- > posts and temper your elitism and sanctimonious attitude with a
- > little common sense advice for beginners, instead of sitting up on
- > your pedestal revelling in the purity of your convictions.
-
- Okay. So, I spend about 15-20 hours a week explaining what the mistakes are,
- pedantic or otherwise, in people's code. I send them advice on what they do
- wrong, both in terms of C, and in terms of finding newsgroups. I actually
- help them find the right place to ask, if this isn't it, and find the answers
- they need, if I know them. I moderate a C newsgroup, filtering out phone sex
- ads and the like. I write people 3-page letters explaining arcana of pointer
- manipulation that they have trouble with. I've debugged programs for free.
-
- What the hell have *you* done to justify your attitude? Have you taught
- *anyone* here *anything*?
-
- You seem to believe it is more helpful to give someone an answer immediately
- than to direct them to a better, faster, and more comprehensive reference; I
- think you're wrong. If someone points a new user at a group related to the
- platform that user uses, everyone wins; the new user encounters more people
- with experience in the environment he uses. He [1] gets accurate and concise
- answers, frequently, and doesn't disrupt the conversations of people who
- *aren't* using the same system he is.
-
- I'd call it a win.
-
- [1] He -> generic pronoun. "They" is a plural.
-
- > The purpose of asking questions and posting code is to obtain
- > feedback and solutions. How can you expect a beginner to post
- > 100% perfect ANSI C code - they are still trying to LEARN the
- > language! If they are capable of posting 100% perfect ANSI C
- > code, then they probably wouldn't have many questions, would they?
-
- Nope. And we don't complain about stupid mistakes (except those in the FAQ),
- and we don't complain about bugs or typos.
-
- > BTW, if only ANSI C is allowed here, then why not change the
- > group name to comp.lang.ansi-c? It would be much easier to
- > defend this fortress against unclean, non-ANSI, platform-dependent,
- > but otherwise valid C code.
-
- Clarify this "otherwise valid C code". Valid how? What guarantees can you
- offer that it works?
-
- The reason "comp.lang.c" discusses only ANSI C (and in some cases pre-ANSI C)
- is that those are the only things which are visibly C. Before there was ANSI,
- comp.lang.c struggled to avoid questions about specific systems, and keep
- focussed on the *language*, not the rest of the environment. (With a lot
- fewer users, the struggle was a lot easier.) Since ANSI, there is an
- ISO-sanctioned document which states, quite clearly, that it *defines* the
- language to be known as C. So, that's C. Anything else isn't.
-
- I assume you would feel the same righteous wrath if people in
- comp.measurements.meter refused to answer questions posed by peole who started
- posts with "I define a meter as twice the length of my right foot. Can anyone
- tell me how many meters around the Earth is?".
-
- -s
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